ICL & BCCI set to talk

[pasag]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport...cl-rebel-league/2008/10/15/1223750078184.html

Small steps but still,

 

[Richard]

Can't really say much until such talks happen I guess.

As I've said hundreds of times though, I hope no-one starts legitimising the ICL - either the BCCI give Zee broadcast rights, or things stay as they are until whatever results results.

 

[pup11]

^^ Hope something good materialises out of these talks.

 

[pup11]

Can't really say much until such talks happen I guess.

As I've said hundreds of times though, I hope no-one starts legitimising the ICL - either the BCCI give Zee broadcast rights, or things stay as they are until whatever results results.

I seriously can't see that happening, i think the best case scenario probably would be BCCI taking ICL under its wing and using it as some tier 2 competiton to the IPL.

 

[Richard]

Nah there's just no point in that. The ICL cannot do the game of cricket any good - apart from by ceasing operating.

There is no room in the cricket calender for numerous Twenty20 tournaments. The IPL must be the only thing, otherwise biiiiiig problems await. This entirely aside from the fact that private competitions paying massive bucks are a red light that never goes amber.

And Zee aren't going to stop putting the ICL on unless they get Indian cricket (ie, Test, ODI and IPL) rights.

 

[Woodster]

Just hope players bans become null and void, and Bangladesh get some of their players back and we get to see the likes of Shane Bond back in international cricket.

 

[Sanz]

Just hope players bans become null and void, and Bangladesh get some of their players back and we get to see the likes of Shane Bond back in international cricket.

Well Said.

 

[fatbury]

Its at times like this when I wonder what the ICC actually do??

They need to get a hold of the various organisations that run cricket in each country and set out EXACTLY what is expected

The banning of players because they want to play cricket and make money is ludricrous .. for them and for supporters.

The money makers however need to be reigned in and regulated and proper procedures put in place ... and a future calendar for all events with rests for players created asap.

 

[Richard]

The money makers however need to be reigned in and regulated and proper procedures put in place ...

Sadly, matters like this are so far from straightforward that "completely and totally realistically impossible" would be an accurate term to use to describe them.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Cricket as we know it can only work if the International teams are the top tier of cricket and make the most money. If we go down the football route, where club teams hold the power, and where the money is made, then there just isnt going to be Test series cricket anymore. Clubs will want to hold onto their big paid stars for their own games, and we'll start seeing 2-3 Tests in a summer max, as we do with Football internationals now, unless they cut down the amount of Club games to fit in more Tests on free weeks, which Clubs will resist as it would mean less money for them.

 

[Richard]

Just hope players bans become null and void, and Bangladesh get some of their players back and we get to see the likes of Shane Bond back in international cricket.

I can't see Bond ever returning to Test cricket, he'd already decided to retire from that before he even got the ICL offer. All he'd be likely to do would be to return to do would be to play ODIs.

 

[Woodster]

I can't see Bond ever returning to Test cricket, he'd already decided to retire from that before he even got the ICL offer. All he'd be likely to do would be to return to do would be to play ODIs.

That's why I suggested International cricket. If he doesn't return to Test cricket, it would still be good to see him play ODI's for NZ.

 

[Woodster]

Tbh, Think Bond would play Test cricket again should his ban be lifted.

 

[pup11]

Nah there's just no point in that. The ICL cannot do the game of cricket any good - apart from by ceasing operating.

There is no room in the cricket calender for numerous Twenty20 tournaments. The IPL must be the only thing, otherwise biiiiiig problems await. This entirely aside from the fact that private competitions paying massive bucks are a red light that never goes amber.

And Zee aren't going to stop putting the ICL on unless they get Indian cricket (ie, Test, ODI and IPL) rights.

Others channels have already bought the rights for all those games at huge prices so i can't see Zee getting anywhere near that, and btw Rich why do you have such a negative vibe about the ICL, they are doing nothing wrong are they, they are just giving a platform to the lesser players and the has been(s) to come together and make some money, the kind of opportunity that they couldn't haven't dreamt of getting before, ICL has become a problem for world cricket because of the BCCI' attitude towards it, if players weren't getting banned for playing in it then i think ICL would have been a very good avenue for the lesser players from around the world and from India to get some exposure and also make decent money at the same time.

Australia, England and West Indies (Stanford T20) are planning their own versions of IPL, so when BCCI doesn't have problems with these prospective T20 tournaments then they shouldn't have problems with ICL either.

 

[Precambrian]

Nah there's just no point in that. The ICL cannot do the game of cricket any good - apart from by ceasing operating.

There is no room in the cricket calender for numerous Twenty20 tournaments. The IPL must be the only thing, otherwise biiiiiig problems await. This entirely aside from the fact that private competitions paying massive bucks are a red light that never goes amber.

And Zee aren't going to stop putting the ICL on unless they get Indian cricket (ie, Test, ODI and IPL) rights.

Absolutely spot on. ICL is a disease to cricket. So completely money minded and selfish so that they don't think twice before accomodating the likes of Shabbir Ahmed, banned for chucking. Is this the way they aim to "promote" cricket? And going by their sides, atleast 5 of the XI is reserved for aged foreigners, and the rest made up of Indian FC no-gooders.

 

[Richard]

Others channels have already bought the rights for all those games at huge prices so i can't see Zee getting anywhere near that, and btw Rich why do you have such a negative vibe about the ICL, they are doing nothing wrong are they, they are just giving a platform to the lesser players and the has been(s) to come together and make some money, the kind of opportunity that they couldn't haven't dreamt of getting before, ICL has become a problem for world cricket because of the BCCI' attitude towards it, if players weren't getting banned for playing in it then i think ICL would have been a very good avenue for the lesser players from around the world and from India to get some exposure and also make decent money at the same time.

Trouble is, it opens up the possibility of ICL coming before anything else. And I'm aware those behind the ICL have propaganda'd that they haven't done this - yeah, they have, so far. If they got enough power, I have little doubt they'd decide they couldn't give a hoot about international (or domestic) cricket and would simply keep their players for themselves. And they'd be able to afford to pay players so much that the players concerned wouldn't mind.

IMO, the BCCI's attitude to the ICL (unlike their attitude to so many other things) is the right one.

Australia, England and West Indies (Stanford T20) are planning their own versions of IPL, so when BCCI doesn't have problems with these prospective T20 tournaments then they shouldn't have problems with ICL either.

These are being planned jointly by the boards in charge, so they are going to be deliberately woven around international cricket.

 

[Sanz]

Absolutely spot on. ICL is a disease to cricket. So completely money minded and selfish so that they don't think twice before accomodating the likes of Shabbir Ahmed, banned for chucking. Is this the way they aim to "promote" cricket? And going by their sides, atleast 5 of the XI is reserved for aged foreigners, and the rest made up of Indian FC no-gooders.

It is fine to dislike ICL but at least Get your facts right. Shabir Ahmad was banned for one year in December 2005 and that one year period ended on December 21 2006. Care to remind us what when was the first time Shabir played first ICL match ? Also not to forget the fact that Shabir Ahmad played in a T20 Internationl between Pak-SA in Feb 2007.

Now coming back to the official league IPL - Do you remember how it allowed a banned player 'Shoaib Akhtar' to play in the league ?

As far as promoting cricket is concerned - You really think IPL has been promoting cricket by signing deal with SL board which threatens the SL-ENG test series ?

And you need a reality check on 'aging players' - Ever checked the Ranji sides or county sides, A lot of Grandpas are still playing cricket there. But let me guess you dont use the same prism to look at IPL and other tournaments. Sunil Joshi, Darren Lehman, Arjun Yadav, Justin Langer, Sanjay Bangar etc all selected to play in IPL.

 

[Precambrian]

It is fine to dislike ICL but at least Get your facts right. Shabir Ahmad was banned for one year in December 2005 and that one year period ended on December 21 2006. Care to remind us what when was the first time Shabir played first ICL match ? Also not to forget the fact that Shabir Ahmad played in a T20 Internationl between Pak-SA in Feb 2007.

Now coming back to the official league IPL - Do you remember how it allowed a banned player 'Shoaib Akhtar' to play in the league ?

Bleh, Shoiab Akthar was banned by PCB and not ICC. He might have had his problems with the board which are in no way comparable to "suspect action" ban.

As far as promoting cricket is concerned - You really think IPL has been promoting cricket by signing deal with SL board which threatens the SL-ENG test series ?

Another bollocs. 'd be the last person to say that 20-20 cricket helps youngsters to improve their game. However a tournament in the scale and format of the IPL, incorporating arguably the best saleable stars in the world, in a transparent manner, would do immense marketing for cricket the game the world over.

And you need a reality check on 'aging players' - Ever checked the Ranji sides or county sides, A lot of Grandpas are still playing cricket there. But let me guess you dont use the same prism to look at IPL and other tournaments. Sunil Joshi, Darren Lehman, Arjun Yadav, Justin Langer, Sanjay Bangar etc all selected to play in IPL.

Duh, players like Joshi etc were selected to make up for the "experienced local stars" quota. How many Indian players of above 30 are playing in the IPL? I'd reckon not more than 10, discounting superstars like the Fab 4, who are essential for their marketing value. But what about the ICL? A bunch of 30-yr olds who failed to make it to the echeleons of International cricket plus a bunch of old retired internationals who'd fail to make a stadium fill in their own regions.

One point I'd like to clarify is that I am not much of a fan of IPL either. However it is inevitable that IPL stay to address the "monetary" factor as well as the "marketing" factor. IPL specialists remain just that, it should never ever be a factor for Test match selection. So in that way, the quailty of Test cricket is not affected by 20-20 cricket.

20-20 cricket exists purely for entertainment and monetary purposes. Any claims to "improving quality of the game" is pure crap. And in that regard the ICL is a failure. Not to mention the sheer lack of transparency in the selection of teams, finance and other matters.

 

[Sanz]

Bleh, Shoiab Akthar was banned by PCB and not ICC. He might have had his problems with the board which are in no way comparable to "suspect action" ban.

And What part of 'His ban was lifted' by ICC did you not understand ? At least you should accept that you were wrong, but it seems you are not among those who can accept it easily that you are wrong.

"....Shabbir Ahmed is once again eligible to play for Pakistan after the ICC lifted a year-long ban on him, imposed during the England tour to Pakistan last year....The ICC sent a notification to the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) informing them that Shabbir could resume his international career with immediate effect..."

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/273599.html

And as for you Banned by PCB and not ICC - It sounds like a cop out, but not sruprising looking at your tinted vision.

 

[Sanz]

Another bollocs. 'd be the last person to say that 20-20 cricket helps youngsters to improve their game. However a tournament in the scale and format of the IPL, incorporating arguably the best saleable stars in the world, in a transparent manner, would do immense marketing for cricket the game the world over.

Bollocs ? So SriLanka are going to forfeit the test series (or wont send their best players) because of IPL is bollocks and is akin to improving the game ? Wow really it will be worth **** to listen to your vision for 'Global Cricket'

Best Saleable stars in the world - Yeah Sanjay Bangar, Darren Lehman, Luke Ronchi etc are the most saleble ones..Besides it is really worth even if it comes at the expense of Test series like SL-Eng, isn't it ?

Lastly on the Transparent manner - Sell those stars like whores, and leave the rest as old dreid tomatoes, vrey transparent indeed. Puhlease...