Sachin Tendulkar and T20 International Cricket

[G.I.Joe]

Is it a wrong thing to play for money then?

No, isn't. But lets not be precious about calling a spade a spade.

He had retired from the international Format BEFORE IPL was even thought out. Nobody said he couldn't play in domestic T20s because of that.

Nice, looking forward to seeing him play the Syed Mushtaq Trophy this year

 

[Sir Alex]

No, isn't. But lets not be precious about calling a spade a spade.



Nice, looking forward to seeing him play the Syed Mushtaq Trophy this year

Don't be lame. I asked what is wrong with participating in domestic cricket after retiring from international cricket?

If you want to call a spade a spade, call everyone including kumble, Dravid, Gilchrist, Warne, Hayden, Ganguly, Bond etc.

Let BCCI not schedule any India matches around that time. Then he might participate in that like he did in 2007.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Don't be lame. I asked what is wrong with participating in domestic cricket after retiring from international cricket?

If you want to call a spade a spade, call everyone including kumble, Dravid, Gilchrist, Warne, Hayden, Ganguly, Bond etc.

I'm not going to go through the bother of compiling a list here. Needless to say it applies to anyone playing the IPL and not wanting to be considered for national selection or the state T20 tournament. Its their rightful choice, just as it is mine for calling them out for their motives.

Let BCCI not schedule any India matches around that time. Then he might participate in that like he did in 2007.

There were no matches scheduled during the majority of Mumbai's matches last year.

 

[Sir Alex]

I'm not going to go through the bother of compiling a list here. Needless to say it applies to anyone playing the IPL and not wanting to be considered for national selection or the state T20 tournament. Its their rightful choice, just as it is mine for calling them out for their motives.

What is this "calling out"? Every one knows money is the only factor Tendulkar agreed to play in IPL. I don't find anything wrong in that considering he gave up International T20s well before that and stuck to his line.

Tendulkar indeed played state T20 when India was not playing any cricket, check out 2007.

There were no matches scheduled during the majority of Mumbai's matches last year.

Mumbai played it's matches on consecutive days from Oct 20 to Oct 24 this year. India - Australia ODI series started on Oct 25.

 

[G.I.Joe]

What is this "calling out"? Every one knows money is the only factor Tendulkar agreed to play in IPL. I don't find anything wrong in that considering he gave up International T20s well before that and stuck to his line.

Tendulkar indeed played state T20 when India was not playing any cricket, check out 2007.

And he didn't in 2009 when India weren't playing any cricket. I'd have a lot more respect for his stance if he played the domestic T20 comp that didn't pay as well too.

Mumbai played it's matches on consecutive days from Oct 20 to Oct 24 this year. India - Australia ODI series started on Oct 25.

So no overlap, and yet he didn't play. Its simple.

 

[Sir Alex]

And he didn't in 2009 when India weren't playing any cricket. I'd have a lot more respect for his stance if he played the domestic T20 comp that didn't pay as well too.

I'd agree with you, but it happens no such thing happened in 2008-09

Family unhappy with treatment meted out to Mushtaq Ali Trophy

So no overlap, and yet he didn't play. Its simple.

Yeah he should've played a domestic t20 competition one day before start of a major ODI series? Please don't act foolish. You are much better than that. Tell me where do you find a precedent in that case?

Overall 2/10 for the fishing attempt. But FAIL.

 

[G.I.Joe]

I'd agree with you, but it happens no such thing happened in 2008-09

Family unhappy with treatment meted out to Mushtaq Ali Trophy

Who said anything about 2008? Are you even aware there was a tournament played in 2009?

8- Yeah he should've played a domestic t20 competition one day before start of a major ODI series? Please don't act foolish. You are much better than that. Tell me where do you find a precedent in that case?

Unless all of Mumbai's matches were played a day before the ODI series, your argument is moot. There are players who have just played a domestic T20 final 5 days before a T20 World Cup. A meaningless ODI series bears no comparison.

Overall 2/10 for the fishing attempt. But FAIL.

Thats going to give me sleepless nights

 

[Sir Alex]

Who said anything about 2008? Are you even aware there was a tournament played in 2009?

Duh, there have been only 2 Mushtaq Ali tourneys held

2007-08 - Sachin participated
2009-10 - Clashed with Ind-Aus series

Unless all of Mumbai's matches were played a day before the ODI series, your argument is moot. There are players who have just played a domestic T20 final 5 days before a T20 World Cup. A meaningless ODI series bears no comparison.

A league match in a 2nd level T20 competition is more important than an ODI series with Australia

Unless all the matches Tendulkar missed were more than 5 days prior to the Aus series, your argument is moot as well.

Thats going to give me sleepless nights

 

[G.I.Joe]

Duh, there have been only 2 Mushtaq Ali tourneys held

2007-08 - Sachin participated
2009-10 - Clashed with Ind-Aus series

So why mention a non existent 2008 one?

A league match in a 2nd level T20 competition is more important than an ODI series with Australia

Unless all the matches Tendulkar missed were more than 5 days prior to the Aus series, your argument is moot as well.

Yeah, because players needed to play either all five or none at all. Oh wait, they didn't.

 

[Sir Alex]

So why mention a non existent 2008 one?

So your argument below is stupid as well

And he didn't in 2009 when India weren't playing any cricket.

Yeah, because players needed to play either all five or none at all. Oh wait, they didn't.

Yeah he should be playing a meaningless T20 league match 4 days before an ODI series between World No.1 and World No.2, when would he then join the squad? Further where is proof that BCCI would have released him to play even if he wanted to?

Also I asked you where is the precedent??

 

[shrik]

10dulkar is 10dulkar...

he is too smart to decide which tornament to play and which to not...
When India won 2007 WC than only he must have decided not to play 20 20 INT again..

Thats how he should do it...

 

[G.I.Joe]

So your argument below is stupid as well

It says 2009. Not 2008. Why are you so confused?

Yeah he should be playing a meaningless T20 league match 4 days before an ODI series between World No.1 and World No.2, when would he then join the squad? Further where is proof that BCCI would have released him to play even if he wanted to?

Also I asked you where is the precedent??

Precedent is indian players playing an IPL final 5 days before a T20 world cup. Already been mentioned. Try and keep up. It takes longer and more toll to travel halfway round the globe than to join a squad for the next tournament right at home. Its pretty simple if you don't let your fanboyism cloud your thinking.

 

[Sir Alex]

It says 2009. Not 2008. Why are you so confused?

Easy on the lies mate. You said India didn't play any cricket in 2009.

Precedent is indian players playing an IPL final 5 days before a T20 world cup. Already been mentioned. Try and keep up. It takes longer and more toll to travel halfway round the globe than to join a squad for the next tournament right at home. Its pretty simple if you don't let your fanboyism cloud your thinking.

No that's not precedent. Precedent is when an Indian player actually appeared in a gully-danda contest within 5 days preceding a major ODI tournament. Travelling isn't playing as the chances of you getting injured etc are minimal. I think you are confusing commonsense with fanboyism.

I request you to please find the source which said Sachin turned down playing in that tournament (which for all purposes is a second tier tournament to IPL), despite BCCI releasing him. Because the request has to come from Mumbai team, and BCCI has to grant that. Tendulkar in hardly a party in this unless he refused to partake in that after getting BCCI permission.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Easy on the lies mate. You said India didn't play any cricket in 2009.

Now you're just being ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain cell would understand that I meant while the 2009 Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy was on. Its a pretty obvious implication. If you really think I claimed India didn't play any cricket in the entire year, you're beyond help.

No that's not precedent. Precedent is when an Indian player actually appeared in a gully-danda contest within 5 days preceding a major ODI tournament. Travelling isn't playing as the chances of you getting injured etc are minimal. I think you are confusing commonsense with fanboyism.

You're just nitpicking by refusing to equate one T20 tournament with another. Its like saying India didn't win the World T20 in 2007 because there was no precedent of them winning a multinational T20 tournament earlier. You're missing the concept of precedents not being required to be carbon copies of each other. IPL is 'gully danda' cricket too, FYI. Besides, I must have missed the part where travelling from one part of India to another induces more jet lag and tires you out lesser than a 24 hour flight across the globe. Not to mention getting used to the different conditions etc.

I request you to please find the source which said Sachin turned down playing in that tournament (which for all purposes is a second tier tournament to IPL), despite BCCI releasing him. Because the request has to come from Mumbai team, and BCCI has to grant that. Tendulkar in hardly a party in this unless he refused to partake in that after getting BCCI permission.

Haha, yet more nitpicking. If Sachin wanted to play, he would have played. You're just trying to dream up scenarios and excuses for your hero.

 

[Shri]

I am about to browse cyanide and happiness gijoe. I suggest you do the same and keep your sanity intact.

Regards,

Shri.

 

[silentstriker]

To say it's not for money is ridiculous. I'd do the same, but of course it's for money. If he cared about the format, he'd want to win a WC trophy, especially as it looks like the rest of the Indian batsmen think the bouncer hasn't existed in cricket since bodyline.

 

[Sir Alex]

Now you're just being ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain cell would understand that I meant while the 2009 Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy was on. Its a pretty obvious implication. If you really think I claimed India didn't play any cricket in the entire year, you're beyond help.

India did play Australia during the Syed Musthaq trophy. How many times I've to say that to register in your brain

You're just nitpicking by refusing to equate one T20 tournament with another. Its like saying India didn't win the World T20 in 2007 because there was no precedent of them winning a multinational T20 tournament earlier. You're missing the concept of precedents not being required to be carbon copies of each other. IPL is 'gully danda' cricket too, FYI. Besides, I must have missed the part where travelling from one part of India to another induces more jet lag and tires you out lesser than a 24 hour flight across the globe. Not to mention getting used to the different conditions etc.

Don't be facetious. And don't try to evade.I shall repeat, where is the precedent when 4 days before the start of a major series, a star player is asked to participate in a obscure domestic competition??

Haha, yet more nitpicking. If Sachin wanted to play, he would have played. You're just trying to dream up scenarios and excuses for your hero.

Really? I thought he was employed by BCCI and contracted by them to feature in the tournaments they want him to play. There is no need for excuses here, by resorting to such vague terms, you are just exposing the shallowness of your own posts.

 

[Sir Alex]

I am about to browse cyanide and happiness gijoe. I suggest you do the same and keep your sanity intact.

Regards,

Shri.

(Happy?)

 

[G.I.Joe]

India did play Australia during the Syed Musthaq trophy. How many times I've to say that to register in your brain

You could say it a million times, and it would still not alter the fact that Mumbai played before the series started. I suggest you check the dates.

Don't be facetious. And don't try to evade.I shall repeat, where is the precedent when 4 days before the start of a major series, a star player is asked to participate in a obscure domestic competition??

You're the one evading the fact that many Indian players played a T20 finaljust before travelling around the globe for a T20 World Cup. Thats precedent. You just refuse to accept it because it doesn't suit your argument.

Really? I thought he was employed by BCCI and contracted by them to feature in the tournaments they want him to play. There is no need for excuses here, by resorting to such vague terms, you are just exposing the shallowness of your own posts.

Er no, if the BCCI had that much of a say in what he could and couldn't play, they'd have had his ass on a plane to the T20 WC pronto. You're just trying to shift blame from one party to another. If Sachin wanted to play, he'd have played. If Sachin doesn't want to play, he doesn't. Simple as.

 

[Sir Alex]

You could say it a million times, and it would still not alter the fact that Mumbai played before the series started. I suggest you check the dates.

How many days before is the question.

You're the one evading the fact that many Indian players played a T20 finaljust before travelling around the globe for a T20 World Cup. Thats precedent. You just refuse to accept it because it doesn't suit your argument.

It's not a precedent. Tell me a situation when an Indian player was released to feature in a domestic match 4 days before a series. It has been widely criticised that players didn't get sufficient time to prepare for their matches anyway, but that's not relevant here.

Er no, if the BCCI had that much of a say in what he could and couldn't play, they'd have had his ass on a plane to the T20 WC pronto. You're just trying to shift blame from one party to another. If Sachin wanted to play, he'd have played. If Sachin doesn't want to play, he doesn't. Simple as.

Wrong. Tendulkar has already retired from T20Is, so BCCI cannot push him to play those. He is contracted to play test cricket and ODI cricket for BCCI.

There is no need for blame game here. BCCI is right in not releasing Tendulkar to play in a meaningless T20 tournament 4 days before the Aus ODI series started. Indian cricket is not Sachin's fiefdom so that he can defy BCCI and play whenever he liked.

Curious, why no mention of Dravid, Kumble, Ganguly?